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UPDATE: Woman dies day after paramedics make wrong call


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Updated: 3/28/2010 7:15 pm Published: 3/27/2010 9:57 pm
Two senior paramedics with Metropolitan EMS are on paid leave. Two senior paramedics with Metropolitan EMS are on paid leave. The medics thought a patient died, but she was very much alive. The woman died Sunday.

The MEMS director is not faulting his employees just yet. He says all of his paramedics are highly trained to detect a patient’s vital signs and make important medical decisions on the spot. So what happened Friday when two paramedics responded to an emergency and determined the patient was dead when she was actually alive?

"It's a lovely quiet neighborly neighborhood,” says Janet Hoover describing her community.

It's why people in her west Little Rock subdivision were shocked to see all of the commotion Friday morning.

"When I came out I saw a fire truck, an ambulance, and a police car."

Her only thought was, "What's going on?"

Authorities say they responded to a home on Hunters Cove Drive after getting a call that 52 year old Pamela Harper was lying unresponsive in the yard.

"We had a unit respond initially and assess the patient, leave, another unit was called in,” says MEMS Executive Director Jon Swanson.
 
Both paramedics said the woman was dead, but when a detective and a deputy coroner arrived, they found otherwise. That's when another paramedic showed up to get the woman to a hospital.

"At this point you're not sure if protocol was followed or not?” we asked Swanson.

“That's the point of the investigation is to make sure we understand all the facts,” he replied.

Swanson says he has faith in all of his medics, but wants to get to the bottom of the issue.

"They obviously encountered something extremely unusual, something that we had not encountered before so the whole point of the investigation is to find out what did happen," he said.

Neighbors wonder how the situation even got to that point.

"It is surprising that she laid there that long,” Hoover said.

Saturday morning, Harper was still listed in critical condition at Baptist Hospital. Saturday night, hospital officials confirmed she was still there. 

Swanson says he's been director for 12 years and hasn't seen anything like this before. He adds the medics in question are “experienced and highly skilled.” They're on paid leave during the internal investigation. MEMS will determine what if any corrective action to take during the suspension of the medics.
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noangelwings - 3/31/2010 4:01 PM
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giturfaxstr8 - I wondered about that. If one was an EMT, then he/she should not be referred to as a Paramedic. Paramedics have more training. And I am still wondering why they were able to pronouce someone as dead?

medicteacher - 3/30/2010 10:01 PM
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No it is not a Six week course, it is a Six month course that typically takes two years in most places. I think it is sad that the Coroner was able to determine that the patient was alive faster than the two, and I quote "Highly experienced Paramedics". MEMS has let go several of the Paramedics from this six month course due to substandard performance.

slynndewhurst - 3/30/2010 9:17 PM
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Thats typical MEMS for you. Last I checked Swanson was just an EMT, he thinks his medics are highly trained, he doesn't have a clue.

giturfaxstr8 - 3/30/2010 6:14 AM
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I meant six WEEK course. noangelwings...On ALL "emergencies" ALS (Advanced Life Support) trucks are dispatched to the scene. Which means a Paramedic and an EMT are on each truck. BLS (Basic Life Support) trucks have two EMT's on them, and they are NOT sent to "emergencies." So each time an ambulance was sent to that scene, a paramedic was present.

noangelwings - 3/30/2010 12:00 AM
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I am curious as to whether they were both actually Paramedics...or if one (or both) of them were EMTs. Big difference there.

giturfaxstr8 - 3/29/2010 8:21 PM
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cooltheengines...really...a six work course??? Where do you get your information? People please get your "facts" straight, before you post some BOGUS information here. Were any of you at the scene? Why is everyone so quick to judge when all of the FACTS are not out there yet? I know that I will not be the one to "cast the first stone."

JaxMom10 - 3/29/2010 11:37 AM
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This may be the first time this has happened in Arkansas. If you look and search cases similar to this on google.com, you will find that there are several. In fact, when I worked in a hospital in Alabama. The doctor came to pronounce a woman dead- this was after 2 rns, the telemetry tech, and the hospital provided vital signs monitor all confirmed she was dead. However, the doctor said she had a very very weak pulse. They rushed her to the ICU and she lived for couple of days after that. I do think that mistakes like this can be made. The healthfield isn't perfect. Sadly, it never will be.

jokingwallace - 3/28/2010 8:52 PM
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there is not enough information to make any kind of judgement on this story. It seems like a lot is missing.

msburks - 3/28/2010 5:48 PM
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DID SOMEONE DRUG TEST THEM!LOL! THIS IS A SHAME TO THE MEDICAL FIELD. REALLY ONLY A DR. SHOULD PRONOUNCE DEATH AND A CREDIBLE ONE AT THAT!

RubberDuck - 3/28/2010 3:58 PM
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ok lets get this straight two senior medics pronounced a woman dead that wasnt lets ask a few questions did they check a pulse? check chest rise and fall to see if she was breathing?did they use cardiac monitor to confirm in three leads cardiac arrest?i would probally say not that doesnt sound like like compatent senior medics to me it is a truly sad time for ems today with bad publicity like that and also mr swanson this wasnt the first time in the city of little rock that something like this has happend us as ems providers are supposed to be trained better than what happened ive always said u shouldnt be able to go straight from emt school to medic school with no time on the street especialy a 6 month course im just saying
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