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Ark. police reconstruct handcuffed shooting

Police in Arkansas released a video reconstruction Tuesday meant to show how a 21-year-old man who was handcuffed behind his back could have shot himself in the head while in the backseat of a patrol car.

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CptKirksnipple - 8/16/2012 4:01 AM
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Looks like Mississippi saved some money!

ArkansasYankee - 8/15/2012 11:30 AM
3 Votes
I'm not going to point fingers. I'm wanting the GSR results first. As to cuffs, been in 'em a few times; very tight, and no way I could have put a gun to my head. But that was me; I reckon there are those out there that can do remarkable things while in cuffs. As one post said, some can get their hands under them and their legs through so that their hands end up in front of them instead of behind them. This case does stink though; I'll be glad when all the facts come out, if they ever do. Just don't let the ASP investigate it with the same guy that investigated the Janie Ward case.

Taylormade - 8/15/2012 11:04 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the officers find drugs on the young man? If so, where were these drugs found, yet no gun was found? Even if the drugs were found in the car, would that not lead officers to do a full search on him before placing him in the police car? I'll buy the comment about the officers not doing a thorough search on him before he was placed into the police car, however, if drugs were found on him, then I'm not buying this nonsense. This video just made the entire incident look like there were a ton of untrained officers arresting citizens. 1. I've never in my life seen cuffs with that many links, and 2. I agree with Jackm, I've never seen cuffs that loose on a person. Even with a minor incident. Officers also must protect themselves, so wouldn't that be one of the first things you'd do in a hustle situation?

jackm - 8/15/2012 8:42 AM
3 Votes
The first thing I noticed in this video is how careful the police officer applied the hand-cuffs. The second thing I noticed is that the cuffs are loose enough for to slide half way up the fore-arm. I have been cuffed more than once and I can tell you that 1. Police are not nice and gentle when they cuff you and 2. They make sure the cuffs are so tight not to even go upward past the wrist knuckle. The placement of the hand cuffs in this reenactment conflict with reality.

itsjustme - 8/15/2012 7:29 AM
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Nova, I am not defending anyone in this story. All I was saying is the report says he was shot in the temple. Every one of the cops in this re-enactment was doing all they could to reach their ear, NOT the temple. My point (let me break it down kindergarten style) is that the re-enactment was not convincing to me.

golfdude2 - 8/15/2012 6:05 AM
3 Votes
They need some coaching from the Treylon Martin family, you gotta quit showing his actual thug pic and get the 12 year old stuff out to get any sympathy

Butch54 - 8/15/2012 6:04 AM
3 Votes
Put cameras in the cars to view the inside just like on bait car. Then we will not have to have reconstructed fiction to go by.

Butch54 - 8/15/2012 5:58 AM
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It says reconstruction. In other words broke down to the toddler level it's fiction. It's what they want you to believe. Nova I want you to come over and show me how you can shoot your self in the temple with your hands cuffed behind your back. To use a quote from someone that deals with court every day. Judge Judy. If it don't make sense it's a lie. Of course people on drugs do amazing feats but putting a gun to your temple with your hands cuffed behind your back is not possible. Get real.

Dude III - 8/15/2012 12:32 AM
2 Votes
You know one of the things cops specialize in is lying they are even given classes on it.

nova1021 - 8/14/2012 10:19 PM
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Yankee, No, I did not say I was law enforcement. I have over 12 years of law enforcement experience. I got out after being very, very burned out working as a narcotics detective. I respect your opinion as you see both sides of every story I have read here that you post about. Yes, GSR (residue) should be present on his hands if he were holding the weapon that shot him in the temple. But they will not tell you that until the tests are conclusive. And that could take literally weeks. It chaps my ass to see people who bash ALL police just because a suspect dies or is hurt in strange circumstances. I don't think that ALL police are golden or law abiding...but know enough of them to know that the majority of them took the oath to protect and serve.
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